In this third and final conversation, Bernard Rix interviews Gavin Stephens, QPM, the chair of the National Police Chiefs’ Council, discussing the current state of policing in England and Wales.

They explore the historical context of the policing model, the need for reform to address technological advancements and changing crime patterns, and the challenges of governance and decision-making within the police forces.

Gavin emphasizes the importance of national coordination and a long-term vision for the future of policing, including workforce planning and financial strategies. The conversation concludes with reflections on the evolving role of the National Police Chiefs’ Council and its objectives for the future.

Takeaways

• The current policing model in England and Wales is outdated.
• Local connection in policing is crucial but needs reform.
• Technological advancements require a more consistent response.
• The ‘postcode lottery’ affects crime investigation outcomes.
• Stronger national coordination is essential for effective policing.
• Governance in policing involves numerous stakeholders, complicating decision-making.
• A long-term workforce strategy is necessary for future policing needs.
• Legal changes may be required to improve policing governance.
• A clear vision is needed for future national policing capabilities.
• The National Police Chiefs’ Council is evolving in its responsibilities.

Sound Bites

• “The design here across England and Wales dates to 15 years after the war.”
• “We need to be much more consistent in our response.”
• “There’s a postcode lottery in crime investigation.”

Chapters
00:00 – Overview of the Policing Landscape in England and Wales
01:57 – The Need for Reform in Policing
04:18 – Challenges of Governance and Decision Making
06:18 – Vision for Future Policing
07:17 – Goals for the National Police Chiefs’ Council

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